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CSL Tonite! West: Rising Star, Star, Superstar, Elite

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Hello CSL fans, I'm Cindy Cindy and welcome to the all new CSL Tonite! Please welcome Steve Smith as he discusses the differences between rising star, star, superstar, elite players in the CSL and the teams who have them so without further delay, let's get to it!
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Alright Cindy Cindy, we've talked about the teams in the East now let's talk about the guys in the West but first... let me give you all MY definition of these levels of talent. A rising star is usually a younger player who has the talent and potential to become something very special in this League and at times has shown to make an impact on a game, a star player is a guy who'll be loved by his team and is an impact player who affects the game. A superstar is a special talent who can impact the game in every way possible making it easier for their team to be a title contender year in and year out, and an elite player... well they are the guys who are unstoppable and can single-handedly take over any game at any point, regular season, Playoffs, or Finals and will his team to victory... these are the rarest of the rare in the League so let's take a look at them.
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San Antonio:
Rising Star: Gorgui Dieng - Defensive beast capable of becoming a future star
Elite: Kevin Durant - Lethal scorer with down numbers this past season but deadly from just about anywhere on the court

Houston:
Star: Kenneth Faried, Thadeus Young - Bigtime defender and rebounding high energy guy in Faried while Thad has been amazing this year off the bench as both a scorer and defender
Superstar: Andre Iguodala - All CSL Defensive 2nd teamer played standout ball this season with extraordinary DEF
Elite: James Harden - Mr. Buckets turned Mr Do-Everything for the Rockets from the PG spot last season, a scoring assassin

Memphis:
Superstar: Mike Conley, Goran Dragic - So underrated but an unstoppable lead guard this past season now teams up with another unstoppable scoring guard in Dragic making for what could be an exciting pairing

Dallas:
Rising Star: Nik Stauskas - Very prolific scoring ability shown from the rookie
Star: Lance Stephenson - Put up some great numbers as the number one option in Big "D"

New Orleans:
Rising Star: Bryce Cotton, Okaro White - With White on the move to CHA, it leaves the Pelicans with a stud of a PG in Cotton who is a rising young talent
Star: Kobe Bryant - Still a very solid scoring option in the League helping the Pelicans win a title
Superstar: DeAndre Jordan - Max dollars and max defense is what Jordan brings to the table giving you Superstar defense
Elite: Anthony Davis - Cream of the crop top of the food chain MVP Player year in and year out

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Denver:
Rising Star: Terrence Ross, Tobias Harris - Key guys from the Orlando trade that can step into the Star level of talent in this League
Star: Nikola Pekovic - Unheralded bigman put up great numbers for the Nuggets last season
Elite: Blake Griffin - Got a ring nearly by himself, ultra high level of scoring, rebounding rolled into one player, unique MVP type of guy

Minnesota:
Rising Star: Victor Oladipo - Transition time for the young guy to become a star or even Superstar
Star: Larry Sanders - Great defensive stalwart for the Wolves
Elite: Russell Westbrook - One of the most unstoppable scoring forces in the entire CSL took this team to the Playoffs by himself offensively

Oklahoma City:
Rising Star: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Nikola Vucevic, John Henson, Nick Johnson, Brandon Knight - MKG elite defensive ability, Vucevic as a top scoring bigman, good defensive presence of Henson, Nick Johnson with a superb scoring and shooting knack, and BK who we feel can get back on track when given playing time, they could transition into more prominent CSL players this season
Star: Paul Millsap - Not quite suited for a Sixth Man, if inserted into a starting role will once again thrive

Portland:
Rising Star: Kyle Anderson, Giannis Antetokounmpo - Good overall talent that could be ready to become more, same could be said of the "Greek Freak" who didn't really progress as expected this season
Star: Harrison Barnes - Has gotten better each season and has now become recognized as a true threat and oncourt presence as a scorer
Superstar: Damian Lillard - Will this be the year the high scoring exciting PG finally moves into Elite status, I say YES

Utah:
Rising Star:Trey Burke, Tyler Ennis - Both very talented young PG's will be interesting to see how well they handle splitting time
Superstar: Dante Exum, Derrick Favors - Exum has shown he can be counted on as a leading man along with the great scoring and rebounding defensive presence of young bigman Derrick Favors being an interior force

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Golden State:
Rising Star: Branden Dawson, Anthony Bennett - Dawson was a huge surprise last season and could already be a star in the making while Bennett seems to be on his last chance at stepping into a different level, a make or miss year for the young guy
Star: Pau Gasol - The veteran PF still has something to give as he's still putting up respectable numbers
Superstar: Stephen Curry - Curry has had a really down year but we believe he still has Superstar talent
Elite: DeMarcus Cousins - The Big guy put up huge numbers and I went back and forth about his selection but the stats convinced me he's a force to be reckoned with given the right opportunities offensively

Los Angeles (Clippers):
Rising Star: Rodney Hood, KJ McDaniels - Hood has shown to be a very reliable shooter while McDaniels is gonna make a huge improvement when given time and KJ surely won't disappoint
Star: Dwyane Wade - Still showing to have some tread left on those wheels as a main weapon in LA
Superstar: Marcus Smart - Make no mistake, after one season of huge numbers this wasn't a fluke and we look for even better or efficient production from him soon
Elite: Dwight Howard - Once given the reins in LAC after being traded from Houston the big fella went OFF and I think he'll maintain his elite status whereas he was a Superstar prior to the move

Los Angeles (Lakers):
Star: DeMar DeRozan, Amir Johnson, Walter Tavares - DeRozan completely took over that Laker offense while Amir Johnson is a proven asset in this League and Laker C Walter Tavares mans the middle controlling the interior as a young force who may just be ready for Superstar status

Phoenix:
Rising Star: Alex Len, Isiah Austin, Delon Wright, Andrew Wiggins - Len made a huge jump while Austin was as solid as ever, rookies Wright and Wiggins are looking to be the faces of this team sooner rather than later joining their leader
Superstar: Eric Bledsoe - Amazing athlete putting up monster numbers on BOTH sides of the court, capable of Elite status perhaps

Sacramento:
Rising Star: Elfrid Payton, Ben McLemore, Otto Porter, Richard Solomon, Jusuf Nurkic, Christian Wood - Payton and McLemore form one of the better young up and coming backcourts with solid defense and shooting while Porter and Solomon provide lockdown ability at the Forward positions while Nurkic does outstanding at the C spot as well as Wood developing nicely with all being able to make the next leap
Star: Chandler Parsons, Tony Parker - Led a young Kings team to the Playoffs as the main scoring piece until his injury along with still top PG Tony Parker who still has shown to be a proven commodity

And that'll do it Cindy Cindy!!! The Rising Stars, the Stars, the Superstars, and the Elites of the CSL!
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Great job Smitty and thank you so much for your analysis... Well, that's all we have time for right now, see you in the next edition of CSL Tonite!

Hit us up and let us know if you agree or disagree with our list!

Bye for now!
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A little surprised not to see Thad Young listed for us (19/8 per 36, CSL steals leader, and All-Defensive 2nd team) but great list regardless.

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Love reading your articles!!

I'd like to see a post Draft article
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Like I mentioned on the last one, this is a great article idea, Willy. Well done.

A couple minor notes/opinions:
- Cotton is already a star (and about to become a superstar when he gets his endurance boost)
- Kenneth Faried is a superstar. His offensive numbers were a little low because Harden dominates the ball in Houston, but that guy is definitely a superstar.
- Smart is not already a superstar. His numbers were very inflated because he was on an awful Brooklyn team that allowed him to take a million shots.

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Love these articles that shed some light across the league. Sets the stage nicely for the newcomers of the league as well.
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Mattybriand wrote:Love reading your articles!!

I'd like to see a post Draft article
We'll see if the rooks get their time to shine.

In a rare move, you actually got a Superstar AND Rising Star AND pick (M. Gasol/ Cody Zeller/ 1st) in return for your Superstar (L. Aldridge).

Nice move, and appreciate the read!
GreenBear wrote:Like I mentioned on the last one, this is a great article idea, Willy. Well done.

A couple minor notes/opinions:
- Cotton is already a star (and about to become a superstar when he gets his endurance boost)
- Kenneth Faried is a superstar. His offensive numbers were a little low because Harden dominates the ball in Houston, but that guy is definitely a superstar.
- Smart is not already a superstar. His numbers were very inflated because he was on an awful Brooklyn team that allowed him to take a million shots.
Cotton could very well be considered a Star, Faried Smitty felt was on the cusp, and he def felt Smart was a Superstar already in the making.

Rookie put up monster numbers even though a bad team, likely ROY, played well against high caliber competition as well.

Def love the debate though hope there's more honestly :)

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WillyJakkz wrote:
Mattybriand wrote:Love reading your articles!!

I'd like to see a post Draft article
We'll see if the rooks get their time to shine.

In a rare move, you actually got a Superstar AND Rising Star AND pick (M. Gasol/ Cody Zeller/ 1st) in return for your Superstar (L. Aldridge).

Nice move, and appreciate the read!
GreenBear wrote:Like I mentioned on the last one, this is a great article idea, Willy. Well done.

A couple minor notes/opinions:
- Cotton is already a star (and about to become a superstar when he gets his endurance boost)
- Kenneth Faried is a superstar. His offensive numbers were a little low because Harden dominates the ball in Houston, but that guy is definitely a superstar.
- Smart is not already a superstar. His numbers were very inflated because he was on an awful Brooklyn team that allowed him to take a million shots.
Cotton could very well be considered a Star, Faried Smitty felt was on the cusp, and he def felt Smart was a Superstar already in the making.

Rookie put up monster numbers even though a bad team, likely ROY, played well against high caliber competition as well.

Def love the debate though hope there's more honestly :)
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Correction, you got a Superstar Star pick, Zeller played great this yr just added him to list

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WillyJakkz wrote: Rookie put up monster numbers even though a bad team, likely ROY, played well against high caliber competition as well.
Monster offense numbers you mean. Because his defensive numbers were awful.

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Love the articles man! Branden Dawson will be a star. He is a great defender already and his midrange game is only getting better. Expect to see him in a few All Defense team by the end of his career.
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Willy, interested in how you rank these. I assume rising star to star, to superstar, to elite is the order one would develop if they went all the way to elite?

In trade talks, the words star and superstar are thrown around too loosely. Like you have Dieng listed as a rising star but does getting to star mean you think he's an all star talent or is that at the superstar level? I think he's too one dimensional to be any of those but interested in how you rate.
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Good article. Plenty of players for OKC that can step into that star role, and Paul Millsap being mentioned as a star is right. Very underrated player.

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Another great job here man. Everyone has a different opinion, but I think you were spot on with most of these.
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Really nice job Willy. It is good quality and a perfect guide for new joiners

Will not agree on few superstars here though (Smart, Curry, Jordan) when Kemba is only a star in your ranking. Let's check the banner and give the man some credit ;)
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While we have different criteria for evaluating players, in my mind I believe you at least did a wonderful job of pointing the potential stars / superstars / elite (potential because everyone will rank them different) players of every franchise.
I like those two articles very much, man, specially he idea of highlighting players. It's good to measuring both roster strength and roster balance!
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Awesome read again, should be interesting to see the change in these rankings throughout the seasons.
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Another strong read. I can't wait to see that Conley/Dragic pairing

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West Tally:
Elite Players: 7
Superstars: 10
Stars: 15
Rising Stars: 30

Most Elite Payers:
Southwest Division (Durant, Harden, Davis)

Lots of young talent on the way up, nearly 2.5x as much young talent than the East.

Conference mostly driven by Rising Star youth uprising and or young Elite Players.

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