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The unnoticed defender

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He has been receiving heat periodically from some media since he was drafted: that he did not develop, which is true; that he is not an elite scorer, which may be true; that he is not a franchise piece, still early to judge. However, and funnily enough, offers keep coming for him on the same periodic basis. But the Milwaukee Bucks are extremely happy with Brandon Ingram and do not regret at all using that first overall pick to draft him.

The 21-year-old forward is still in his sophomore season on a team that is still trying to put things together. And whoever who wants to actually take some time to look at advanced stats, he may find Ingram as the most underrated defender in the CSL. He is the only player who faces both more than 10 drives and 10 shots per game and stops above 85 % of those drives and allows less than 0.85 points per shot faced. Specifically, Ingram is stopping 89.5 % of 10.3 drives per game and allowing 0.84 points per shot on 11.4 shots faced per game. In addition, he is forcing 2.1 turnovers per contest. That is elite defense any way you want to look at it. At 6'9" and 190 lbs, Ingram can guard both the perimeter and the paint. Only small and quick point guards and tall and strong centers can overcome his defensive skills.

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Of course, then there are the stats everyone looks at: 34.4 minutes per game resulting in averages of 16.6 points, 5.0 rebounds, 3.8 assists, 1.6 blocks and 0.8 steals, shooting 43.7 % from the field, 73.4 % from the free throw line and 36.6 % from three-point range.
mgtr81 wrote:We are absolutely in love with Brandon's game. We will draft him once and again. We had three players from that draft on our list: Brandon was the first one, followed by DeAron Fox and Malik Monk, in that order. And after almost two full seasons, we stand by our pre-draft assessment from that class. Sure, others have found more success at this point of their early careers, but we are confident Brandon will be a player who will leave his footprint in the CSL. Do not forget he has played only 138 games as a pro and is still 21. It is now our job to put a team around him who can compete.
So there you have it. For all the heat he gets, numbers do not lie. Still, being selected first overall will mark his career. Most expect first overall selections to instantly become dominant players with video-game stats. That does not have to be the case, necessarily.
Chris Duhon wrote:Brandon is such a special player ... whatever we ask him to do, he does it. We have even asked him to run the point at times and he did it well enough. He listens to us and to his teammates, he gives his best every game and is a reliable young player. Player usually need at least a couple years to get used to the pro game, so we are expecting big things from him next season. His versatility gives us a lot of options, as he contributes on so many areas. We are lucky to have been able to draft such a great basketball player.
Will Ingram's third season next year prove doubters wrong, as coach Duhon suggests? Only time will tell, but the Milwaukee Bucks have rejected all offers for Ingram for a reason.

Note: I was planning an article on listing all players who met that criteria, but to my surprise I found that Ingram was the only one.
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Thought for sure you were taking Lonzo Ball and still don't know to this day why you passed on him even after skimming this article

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Everyone loves Otto Porter, and Ingram is basically Porter. He's not *quite* the defender that Porter is, since Porter gets like 2 steals per game, but Ingram is no slouch when it comes to forcing turnovers, and he's a better shot blocker than Porter. Ingram is also a better passer, and his frame suggests he should be effective at SG if he needed to play there. Ingram is incredibly well-rounded, I think really the only knock on him is just that we all want more from him.

He reminds me of the NLL's Earl Clark or James Johnson: both of these players were gifted at damn near everything, but for whatever reason people always saw the few things they couldn't do. These two players got traded from team to team to team because everyone expected them to be the savior or something that they weren't, and were subsequently disappointed. I don't think Ingram will ever be the #1 scorer that some people were hoping he would be, but he will be a top player on a contender. He's an incredible defender, a good playmaker, a good rebounder, and is a good enough scorer. I think his future role is as the second-best scoring option, but perhaps the best player overall on a playoff team. He's a Scottie Pippen, a Draymond Green, a prime Andre Iguodala, and there's absolutely no shame in that.

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Solid just better players picked after him
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The problem is indeed the #1 pick. Just too many expectations.
I like his skill set a lot and paired with a good scorer he should be exactly this "Pippen" #2 guy

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Big fan of Ingram. Great young piece to have and add to.
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Yeah, Ingram was my top choice and even though Markkanen, Fox, Monk and even Ball have outperformed him, I wouldn't blame myself of choosing him 1st if I had the chance too.

He's specially good defensively, very well rounded. Great piece to build. He's not a #1 option like Monk or Markkanen or even Fox. He's not elite at anything like Ball is at playmaking and defense. But he's great all around. Being #1 brings a lot of pressure, but..
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I think Ingram is a perfect beta. He's not a big enough scorer to lead a team but he can be a #2. MIL just needs to find that alpha

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BizGilwalker wrote: Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:38 pm I think Ingram is a perfect beta. He's not a big enough scorer to lead a team but he can be a #2. MIL just needs to find that alpha
If things shake out the right way this team should be able to grab an elite scorer at the top of the draft to complement Ingram nicely.
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Rizzo wrote: Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:03 pm
BizGilwalker wrote: Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:38 pm I think Ingram is a perfect beta. He's not a big enough scorer to lead a team but he can be a #2. MIL just needs to find that alpha
If things shake out the right way this team should be able to grab an elite scorer at the top of the draft to complement Ingram nicely.
I would consider SJJ for his pick +.
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Ingram has the potential to be a very, very good number two guy, however he didn't grow much from previous training camps, didn't he?
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