"Purposely" Waived Vets

[WillyJakkz]

From the Sim Results Thread:

I know it’s supposed to be straight up random but teams eliminated from the playoffs should not be able to win contested claims for cut players.

I completely agree and actually feel like teams eliminated from contention shouldn't even be allowed to bid on veteran players that get released for a "purpose" which although it was done for a storyline the fact of the matter is it was done so Rondo could go to a Playoff or verge of Playoffs team, not a team that has just about the same amount of wins as me AND out of the Playoff picture.

Don't like him signing with the Spurs at all when several other teams could actually use him.

Actually goes against why he was released. Is it possible to make adjustments for this type of situation in the future if it happens again?

[hardenwithnod]

Agree with the above points.

[Flaming Homer]

+1

[Myles]

Agreed. I think the distinction should be contested claims, as if the Spurs were the only team, or if only eliminated teams put in claims, then obviously one of them could sign him. But in this case and in similar cases moving forward, the eliminated teams (or nearly eliminated) should be removed from the process.

At the very least, give the playoff teams 3x as many odds. Or something like that

[Cleasby]

+1

[GreenBear]

I don't think many people would argue this. It's just something that isn't in the cba, so the simmer has to do what is currently in place.

Why people have to go out of their way to ruin things just because they can is beyond me.

[Raidercj]

Yeah I think we should change the process for released players after trade deadline only.

[wms02a]

No issues if you want to redo the Rondo FA Signing... completely understand why people are kinda upset. Thought it was funny he signing w me. Rondo must love Mexican Food and Whataburger

[hardenwithnod]

No issues if you want to redo the Rondo FA Signing... completely understand why people are kinda upset. Thought it was funny he signing w me. Rondo must love Mexican Food and Whataburger

Ok, I don't blame him then. The last sentence is a good reasoning.

[Ocons]

Yes. This. Not upset over missing him but would be a nice addition. Only makes sense he goes to a contender, considering it should technically be his choice. I guess. . . devils advocate is does a player want to play for a contender fighting for minutes or get put in a situation where he has a 15 game showcase as the primary PG with a weaker team. I'd say more often than not the player chooses a contender, just saying.

How, exactly, is the random selection made? I'm still of the conspiracy that there's a human element to the selection. . . lol

[Myles]

Yes. This. Not upset over missing him but would be a nice addition. Only makes sense he goes to a contender, considering it should technically be his choice. I guess. . . devils advocate is does a player want to play for a contender fighting for minutes or get put in a situation where he has a 15 game showcase as the primary PG with a weaker team. I'd say more often than not the player chooses a contender, just saying.

How, exactly, is the random selection made? I'm still of the conspiracy that there's a human element to the selection. . . lol

Doug or Jon has mentioned before that they use a random number generator

[GreenBear]

Yup. RNG. Whoever is simming counts the number of teams with a bid (X) and gets the RNG to choose a random number between 1 and X.

[OneNole]

Yup. RNG. Whoever is simming counts the number of teams with a bid (X) and gets the RNG to choose a random number between 1 and X.

now the real question is, we need to see what number has been generated the most as those programs usually favor one particular number over the others

[WillyJakkz]

I get the devil's advocate part and considered "ok is Rondo signing with the Spurs as a chance to play for a final nice payday since he is expiring and the Spurs PG situation is one he could actually showcase himself for the end of the year run BUT I did not release him for that reason.

I did it as a story to boost the League realism, to check out what I really have in Ennis Mack, and to give him a shot at a ring since I won't win one and it was silly seeing the Spurs get him...churros or not lol

[emplep7]

Id be okay throwing something like this into the CBA, but just some things to consider because this will have to be specifically spelled out.

-Does this only pertain to vets? How many years in the league? 5-10?
- Is this only for "good" vets? or does that not matter?
- What if someone released a solid 2nd year player? Should only good teams sign them as opposed to a young team who could give them a lot of PT and get them a big contract next season?

Its not all black and white and these things are often hard to define. What is easier is if there is an unwritten rule between GMs where non-playoffs teams just stay out of it in obvious situations.

[hardenwithnod]

Id be okay throwing something like this into the CBA, but just some things to consider because this will have to be specifically spelled out.

-Does this only pertain to vets? How many years in the league? 5-10?
- Is this only for "good" vets? or does that not matter?
- What if someone released a solid 2nd year player? Should only good teams sign them as opposed to a young team who could give them a lot of PT and get them a big contract next season?

Its not all black and white and these things are often hard to define. What is easier is if there is an unwritten rule between GMs where non-playoffs teams just stay out of it in obvious situations.

I think a good rule of thumb to go by is that this exception will only occur to cuts after the trade deadline, or something like that, so there will be less factors to considered, and it will be consistent.

[WillyJakkz]

Id be okay throwing something like this into the CBA, but just some things to consider because this will have to be specifically spelled out.

-Does this only pertain to vets? How many years in the league? 5-10?
- Is this only for "good" vets? or does that not matter?
- What if someone released a solid 2nd year player? Should only good teams sign them as opposed to a young team who could give them a lot of PT and get them a big contract next season?

Its not all black and white and these things are often hard to define. What is easier is if there is an unwritten rule between GMs where non-playoffs teams just stay out of it in obvious situations.

I think a good rule of thumb to go by is that this exception will only occur to cuts after the trade deadline, or something like that, so there will be less factors to considered, and it will be consistent.

Yeah that's a good distinction and again also the "purpose/ point" of the cut which was (as stated in the article): team that can compete, not happy with star vets getting traded for younger players, and younger players not playing their role.

So seeing those points in the article you would think a clear non playoff team wouldn't bid. So maybe clear distinctions in conjunction with the reality of an older vs younger player and after the trade deadline could play a factor?

[OneNole]

I think it should only matter for players that are 30 or over. A player that age would never sign with a lottery bound team, nor would a lottery bound team ever sign a player like that

[hardenwithnod]

That could be a good baseline for these kind of cuts.

[bt]

Couldn't teams signing just out a brief pitch and the simmer just make a decision.

Better than RNG and the simmer will easily consider all the above anyway. I mean, we're talking about cut guys, not stars here.